What is the minimal voltage between anode and cathode in a linear accelerators to achieve speeds where relativity starts to show?

Makaila Simon
2022-09-27
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Chiecrere2f

Answered 2022-09-28
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Relativity should start to show up at kinetic energies approaching a particle's rest mass. So, we have:

$\begin{array}{rl}qV& =m{c}^{2}\\ V& =\frac{m{c}^{2}}{q}\end{array}$

Using the values for the electron, we get about $5\times {10}^{5}$ V for electrons to turn relativistic. Protons are going to take longer, an anything heavier will take yet longer, since $m$ typically grows a lot faster than $q$. If we want to get more precise than this, we are going to need to start talking precisions and things.

$\begin{array}{rl}qV& =m{c}^{2}\\ V& =\frac{m{c}^{2}}{q}\end{array}$

Using the values for the electron, we get about $5\times {10}^{5}$ V for electrons to turn relativistic. Protons are going to take longer, an anything heavier will take yet longer, since $m$ typically grows a lot faster than $q$. If we want to get more precise than this, we are going to need to start talking precisions and things.

Orion Cervantes

Answered 2022-09-29
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Define the limits of "starts to show" that you care about.

Electrons are significantly relativistic at 100 kV and measurably so at a few 10s of kV.

Electrons are significantly relativistic at 100 kV and measurably so at a few 10s of kV.

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Suppose we want to construct a wave function for 2 free (relativistic) fermions. As we are dealing with fermions the total wave function has to be antisymmetric under interchange of the coordinates,Suppose we want to construct a wave function for 2 free (relativistic) fermions. As we are dealing with fermions the total wave function has to be antisymmetric under interchange of the coordinates,

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If we assume that we can factorize the wave function in terms of single particle wave functions we can write

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So expect the total wavefunction to be

$\begin{array}{rl}\mathrm{\Psi}({x}_{1},{x}_{2})& ={u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}}}({s}_{1})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{1}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{1}){u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}}}({s}_{2})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{2}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{2})-{u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}}}({s}_{2})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{1}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{2}){u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}}}({s}_{1})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{2}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{1})\\ & ={u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}}}({s}_{1}){u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}}}({s}_{2})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{1}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{1})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{2}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{2})-{u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}}}({s}_{2}){u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}}}({s}_{1})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{1}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{2})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{2}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{1})\end{array}$

However

$u({\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}})u({\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{1}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{1})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{2}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{2})-u({\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}})u({\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{1}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{2})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{2}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{1})$

If I'm not mistaking one cannot freely change the order of the Dirac spinors $u({\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}})u({\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}})\ne u({\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}})u({\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}})$ so these expressions seem to be uncompatible. What would the correct expression look like?

$\mathrm{\Psi}({x}_{1},{x}_{2})=-\mathrm{\Psi}({x}_{2},{x}_{1})$

If we assume that we can factorize the wave function in terms of single particle wave functions we can write

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which fulfills the anti-symmetry requirement. The plane wave single particle states are given by,

${\psi}_{\mathbf{k},{m}_{s}}(x)={u}_{\mathbf{k},{m}_{s}}(s)\varphi (\mathbf{k}\cdot \mathbf{r})$

So expect the total wavefunction to be

$\begin{array}{rl}\mathrm{\Psi}({x}_{1},{x}_{2})& ={u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}}}({s}_{1})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{1}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{1}){u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}}}({s}_{2})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{2}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{2})-{u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}}}({s}_{2})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{1}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{2}){u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}}}({s}_{1})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{2}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{1})\\ & ={u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}}}({s}_{1}){u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}}}({s}_{2})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{1}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{1})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{2}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{2})-{u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{1},{m}_{{s}_{1}}}({s}_{2}){u}_{{\mathbf{k}}_{2},{m}_{{s}_{2}}}({s}_{1})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{1}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{2})\varphi ({\mathbf{k}}_{2}\cdot {\mathbf{r}}_{1})\end{array}$

However

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