When I search implicit differentiation for equation x^2+y^2=r^2 I find results of two versions: one using derivative and the other using differential. Version1: d/(dx)(x^2+y^2=r^2)<=>2x+2y(dy)/(dx)=0 Version2: d(x^2+y^2=r^2)<=>2xdx+2ydy=0 Using both methods, I can derive the result: dy/dx=−x/y However, I am confused, could you please provide some answers to: Which one (derivative /differential) is the "real" implicit differentiation? What are the differences between using these two methods? When should differential be used rather than derivative?

Averi Fields

Averi Fields

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2022-09-23

When I search implicit differentiation for equation x 2 + y 2 = r 2 I find results of two versions: one using derivative and the other using differential.

Version1: d d x ( x 2 + y 2 = r 2 ) 2 x + 2 y d y d x = 0
Version2: d ( x 2 + y 2 = r 2 ) 2 x d x + 2 y d y = 0

Using both methods, I can derive the result: d y d x = x y

However, I am confused, could you please provide some answers to:

1. Which one (derivative /differential) is the "real" implicit differentiation?
2. What are the differences between using these two methods?
3. When should differential be used rather than derivative?

Answer & Explanation

embraci4i

embraci4i

Beginner2022-09-24Added 10 answers

I think the geometric set-up is not really clear. In the first case you are viewing y as a function of x, so the equation x 2 + y 2 = r 2 defines two semicircles in R 2 , i.e. y = ± ( r 2 x 2 ) 1 / 2 . Then it makes sense to write d y / d x, and the resulting equation in version one will be an equation in the only variable x.
In the second case the dependence of y on x is not clear. In principle they could be independent variables. You would then have a vanishing function of two variables x , y which is f ( x , y ) = x 2 + y 2 r 2 , whose differential is zero: d f = 2 x d x + 2 y d y = 0. Since d x , d y are independent this gives x = y = 0, meaning that ( x , y ) = ( 0 , 0 ) is a critical point of f. This is clear geometrically as f represents a cone in R 3 whose vertex is ( 0 , 0 , r 2 ).
Nathanael Perkins

Nathanael Perkins

Beginner2022-09-25Added 2 answers

Any two-variable relation can be summarized by the equation
f ( x , y ) = 0
In your example this would be
x 2 + y 2 r 2 = 0
The total derivative of f with respect to an arbitrary variable u is
d f d u = f x d x d u + f y d y d u
We can plug in u = x to obtain what you mention. Implicit differentiation is just another way to view total multivariable differentiation.

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