Minimum number of weighings necessary. 8 boxes each having different weights are numbered from 1 to 8 (the lightest 1, the heaviest 8). The total weight of 4 boxes are equal to the other 4’s total, and your task is to identify these two groups. You have a balance scale with two pans on which you can compare the weight of two groups each having exactly 4 boxes. What is the minimum number of weighings necessary to guarantee to accomplish this task?

yrealeq

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2022-09-11

Minimum number of weighings necessary
8 boxes each having different weights are numbered from 1 to 8 (the lightest 1, the heaviest 8). The total weight of 4 boxes are equal to the other 4’s total, and your task is to identify these two groups. You have a balance scale with two pans on which you can compare the weight of two groups each having exactly 4 boxes. What is the minimum number of weighings necessary to guarantee to accomplish this task?

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Baluttor7

Baluttor7

Beginner2022-09-12Added 17 answers

Step 1
I would start with 1278. If heavy, it allows you to knot that 7 and 8 are in different groups, if light, you know 1 and 2 are in different groups. Let us assume it is heavy, otherwise subtract all numbers below from 9.
Step 2
The remaining combinations that are possible are
1268 1368 1468 1568 1258 1358 1458 1248 1348 1238 2368 2358 2458 2348 3458
where combinations above, north or east are known to be heavier. The line breaks represent layers in a 3D matrix. If we try 1358 next, then either 1468 or 2358, we might need as many as four more. This gives 7 weighings. I haven't proven that you can't do it in 6.
spremani0r

spremani0r

Beginner2022-09-13Added 3 answers

Step 1
Knowing that the weights increase monotonically from box 1 to box 8 allows several options to be discarded out of hand. In particular, if the groups are A = { a 1 , a 2 , a 3 , a 4 } and B = { b 1 , b 2 , b 3 , b 4 }, with a 1 < a 2 < a 3 < a 4 and b 1 < b 2 < b 3 < b 4 and a 1 < b 1 , then we already know the A's are lighter if a i < b i for each i. These ignorable configurations correspond to walks by ± 1 from 0 to 0 that are always non-negative:
010101010 010101210 010121010 012101010 012121010 012101210 010121210 012321010 012121210 010123210 012123210 012321210 012323210 012343210
(fourteen, or the Catalan number C 4 ) where the A's are definitely lighter. (The last in this list corresponds to A = { 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 } and B = { 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 }, for instance.) This leaves only 1 2 ( 8 4 ) 14 = 21 partitions to choose from. So it's quite possible that 5 weightings are enough.
Step 2
Indeed, even 4 may be enough, since a weighing may be balanced (that is, there are three possible outcomes, one of which consists of only one possibility). So ideally the first weighing would either balance or reduce us to 10 possibilities; the second would either balance or reduce us to 5 possibilities; the third would either balance or reduce us to 2 possibilities; and the fourth would determine the answer.

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