The difference between universal and existential quantifiers in set abstractions I'm finding it dif

Leland Morrow

Leland Morrow

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2022-06-25

The difference between universal and existential quantifiers in set abstractions
I'm finding it difficult to differentiate between
{ ( x , y ) z ( ( x , z ) R ( z , y ) S ) }
and { ( x , y ) z ( ( x , z ) R ( z , y ) S ) }
where R , S A × A are binary relations on a set A.
Could someone please give a simple example which clearly differentiates these?
Under what conditions are these sets identical, and is it always the case that R and S are subsets of both of them?

Answer & Explanation

knolsaadme

knolsaadme

Beginner2022-06-26Added 16 answers

Step 1
Suppose A = Z , that R = S and that x R y x y Z .
Then the second set is A × A for you can always find a z Z such that it divides x or that it is divisible by y (e.g. take z = 1).
But the first set is empty, for take (x,y). If x = y take z any non multiple of x. If not, take z any non multiple of y that does not divide x.
When will these be identical?
Step 2
It's sufficient (but I don't know if necessary) that A is non empty and that the first set is A × A. This is because, in the case A the second set contains the first one.
So, for example, if R and S are equivalence relations on A with only one equivalence class each, the condition holds trivially.
It is not always the case that R and S are subsets of them:
Suppose that R,S are equivalence relations such that the class of a A is (a) for both of them then R 1 st set = { ( a , a ) } so if { ( a , a ) } R, then R is not contained in the firs set. You can do simmilar things with S and the second set.

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