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Yahir Tucker

Yahir Tucker

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2022-06-13

Let X = Y uncountable, and let A = B be the σ algebra of countable-cocountable subsets of X, Y respectively. Let C be the countable-cocountable σ-algebra on X × Y.
Is C = σ ( A × B )?
is obvious, but I am not sure about the other direction. I know that in general the two do not have to be equal, so I am trying to find a counterexample i.e find an element in C which is not in σ ( A × B ). Perhaps AC is involved, which makes it tricky? I am not sure.
Also, is it true that σ ( A × B ) = A × B ? This may help simplify the question.

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upornompe

upornompe

Beginner2022-06-14Added 20 answers

As you said it is obvious that C σ ( A × B ).
However the inclusion in the other direction is not true. Here is a simple counter-example:
Let X = Y = [ 0 , 1 ] and let A=B be the σ algebra of countable-cocountable subsets of X,Y respectively. Let C be the countable-cocountable σ-algebra on X × Y. Let S = { 1 2 } × [ 0 , 1 ]. It is immediate that S σ ( A × B ), but S C.
Remark: The example above is actually a general example. In fact:
Let X = Y uncountable, and let A = B be the σ algebra of countable-cocountable subsets of X,Y respectively. Let C be the countable-cocountable σ-algebra on X × Y.
Let us choose a X. Let S = { a } × Y. It is immediate that S σ ( A × B ), but S C.
preityk7t

preityk7t

Beginner2022-06-15Added 6 answers

Also we have a counterexample with general X, guess i`m right

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